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hello

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and welcome to episode number 12 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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in the long-running history of the ufo

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phenomenon

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numerous aspects of encounters with

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these others

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stretch our imaginations to the breaking

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point

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pushing the outer limits of our capacity

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to even conceive of technologies

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that could accomplish what our eyes and

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other senses

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are telling us we're apparently

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in terms of the demonstration of

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evidently advanced technology

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the craft controlled by the supposedly

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non-human intelligence

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makes maneuvers that are not only death

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defying but that break our very notions

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of how

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physics works engineers and aviation

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experts tell us that

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not only do we not have vehicles that

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can perform like this

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but that we can't really even presently

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conceive of how such feats could be

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accomplished

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even theoretically add to the mix that

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reports suggest

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a direct consciousness link between

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pilot and craft

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is key to the operation of these

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vehicles and our understanding is

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teleportation is another apparent

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feature on display with these craft

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in other words not only do witnesses

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including trained expert military

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witnesses

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see these ufos slash uaps racing across

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the sky at breakneck speeds

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making 90 degree turns on a dime without

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even slowing

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but witnesses have also reported seeing

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craft even

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massive mothership types the size of a

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suddenly materialize before their eyes

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out of nowhere

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and they can apparently disappear

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dematerialize

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and the wizardry on display by these

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others doesn't stop with the

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demonstration of their external

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they also readily demonstrate an ability

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to interact with us directly

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mind to mind that is equally baffling

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not only can they seemingly control our

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very perceptions

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to the point that we can no longer trust

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the output generated by our brains

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to be an accurate depiction of what's

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actually out there

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but despite clear species and vast

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cultural differences

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they seem able to effortlessly

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communicate with us

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telepathically bypassing the need for

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language translation

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furthermore not only is the means of

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their communication

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almost always telepathic in nature but

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telepathic communication seems to come

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across at a much broader bandwidth

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than typical human communication meaning

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nuanced emotional content of a thought

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seemingly instantaneously and even more

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the human beings being contacted find

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that they can communicate

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as easily somewhat disconcertingly

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to some even when one chooses not to

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one's thinking and feeling seems still

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to be laid bare to these

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others in other words they can seemingly

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and hearts as it were furthermore

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and even more discombobulatingly they

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seem to have

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knowledge of every figment of our lives

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but going back into the distant past as

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but how how is all of this accomplished

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how are we to make sense of this figures

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like dr

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edgar mitchell the sixth man to walk on

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the moon

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and dr rudy shield an astrophysicist at

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the harvard

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smithsonian center for astrophysics have

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led the way in engaging in these matters

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advancing some intriguing possibilities

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and the fascinating new conceptions

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around the nature of the intelligence

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behind the ufo phenomenon

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postulated by mitchell shield and others

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is the topic of this the 12th episode of

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to begin this podcast i'd like to remind

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of the astronomical numbers we're

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dealing with here

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with this topic and i don't just mean in

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the size of the universe which likely

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leads to other universes

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on previous episodes of this podcast

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i've reminded us that we've gone from

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technology like a horse and buggy to a

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spacecraft

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in the period of about a hundred years

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and our entire species has only been

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could be hundreds of thousands of years

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your imagination around

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what technology would look like for a

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civilization

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millions of years older than ours

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considering that our entire species from

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caveman to spaceman is only about 100

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000 years at the most

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what would millions of years of advanced

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yield well it's even more imagination

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straining than that

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because according to dr rudy shield

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quote it's almost a certainty that

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civilizations that may be a billion

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a gaping mouth and a blank stare it's

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because our imagination simply cannot go

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we can't conceive of a civilization a

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billion years or more

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and this is a perfectly apt point to be

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reminded of arthur c

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clarke's famous saying quote

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any sufficiently advanced technology is

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indistinguishable from magic unquote

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and this would be a good point to remind

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ourselves of the kind of

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categories that historically people have

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others into some people have called them

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angels

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and of course we have religious texts

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that depict

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beings in the sky sky gods and whatnot

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that are often called angels and demons

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the same phenomenon we observe today

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and we have to remember the world view

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in which those categories were created

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it was a world view where there was a

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simple structure to reality

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there were humans and animals on the

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angels

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and below demons and satan himself

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reality in many shamanic cultures

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reality the higher the middle and the

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about advanced civilization and its

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appearing like magic to a lesser

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concept would basically collapse that

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that we wouldn't even consider it

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when we discussed the different

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consciousness levels currently present

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on the earth if you remember the most

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was described as exploring reality with

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mind and spirit now these beings would

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of a cosmic intelligence not only

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this universe and its beings but all

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obvious in fact that these beings would

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to the point where even those separate

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exist that are dealing with reality

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in a league far beyond our own

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that said while we're clearly not on

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their level yet

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not even close new revelations

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especially coming from experimental

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results in the studies of the quantum

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level of reality

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reveal some exciting and truly

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mind-bending possibilities to explore

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in the introduction to this podcast i

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mentioned the figure of

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dr edgar mitchell well not only was he

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the sixth man to walk on the moon

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which gave him a completely different

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perspective on the world

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on the earth on consciousness but he was

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a pioneer a trailblazer like dr mack

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that we discussed last week

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in terms of understanding and exploring

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consciousness

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and astronomy and how it all worked

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together how human beings may be in

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contact with

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extraterrestrial and interdimensional

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he wrote along with robert starretz

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called the quantum hologram and the

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this was a pioneering paper clearly

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ahead of its time

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and i want to quote from the abstract at

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the beginning of the paper

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quote we present a new model of

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information processing in nature

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called the quantum hologram which we

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believe is supported by strong evidence

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this evidence suggests that qh is also a

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model that describes the basis for

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consciousness

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it explains how living organisms know

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whatever information they know and

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utilize

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it elevates the role of information in

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nature to the same fundamental status

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as that of matter and energy we

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speculate that qh seems to be nature's

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vast information storage and retrieval

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mechanism

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and one that has been used since the

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this would promote qh as a theory which

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is a basis for explaining

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how the whole of creation learns

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self-corrects

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and evolves as a self-organizing

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interconnected

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and now i'd like to go to another part

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of the article that gives a bit

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more specifics as to the nature of this

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model quote

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our quantum hologram model seems to

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explain many effects

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including aspects of mind memory stream

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of consciousness

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various factors including health psychic

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events

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young's collective unconscious the

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akashic record

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and other phenomena that arise out of

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the resonance

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with the quantum hologram residing in

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the zero point field

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before the discovery of quantum

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holography we had no mechanism

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to model or account for these phenomena

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let alone for information transfers

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unquote now in case you're lost we

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should back up for a moment

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and give a bit of a history lesson i

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don't want to get too far into the weeds

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of astrophysics

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but as a background we found uh when we

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studied black holes that there was a

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conundrum we came to where it seemed

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like information was being destroyed

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and that seemed to violate one of the

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laws of the universe

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eventually it was postulated that the

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information

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going into a black hole is stored on the

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rim of a black hole

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in a 2d nature rather than 3d

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and from here people extrapolated out

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and said

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wait a second perhaps our entire

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universe

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is actually a hologram and at the edges

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of the universe

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is a 2d representation that can be

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depicted

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as 3d and for the beings inside the

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universe

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it would look 3d it would look real but

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it's actually

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the extrapolation of a 2d model held at

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so what's basically being postulated

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here is in the 2d

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representation of the universe at a

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quantum level you have a representation

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of

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all information not just things like

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matter and energy the physical structure

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of the universe

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but also all conscious information in

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other words the memories the feelings

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the thoughts of

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every being every conscious sentient

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being that's ever existed

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in the cosmos and this relates to the

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historical notion of the akashic records

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and here again i'd like to quote from

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the mitchell paper quote

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finally there is the akashic record

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which was developed in the sanskrit

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and ancient indian culture it is

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described as an all-pervasive foundation

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that contains

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not only all knowledge of the human

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experience but also the entire history

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of the universe our normal five senses

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cannot access this information

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but it can be accessed through spiritual

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practices such as meditation

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in the last few years laszlo 2004

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has also been promoting a theory he has

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named the a field

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which contains many aspects that are

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also very similar

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to the concepts described in this paper

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all these concepts imply a mechanism

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very similar to our description of

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quantum hologram

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unquote now an interesting implication

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of this paper by mitchell is that

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there's actually something called a

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spectrum

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of quantum hologram resonance and this

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basically

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postulates that every structure in the

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universe

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from something like an atom to a meteor

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to a human being to a gray alien

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resonates with this quantum hologram to

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different degrees

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and as you move along the different

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levels of resonance

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you increase your capacities and this is

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now getting to the point where we

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discuss

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what an advanced civilization would be

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able to resonate with

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and therefore have access to have

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control of

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and in this paper there's a graph a

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diagram

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that depicts this evolving structure

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of resonance so this is somewhat similar

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to

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the spiral dynamics theory we discussed

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a few episodes ago

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here this is the spectrum of quantum

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hologram resonance

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it begins with very basic simple

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awareness the most basic

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structures have that awareness a plant

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for instance

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has certain awareness about itself and

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how to sustain itself

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from there you move to memory and then

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to instinct which is species specific

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and then you develop capacities like

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empathy

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and then intuition and then you have the

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notion of

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things like cultural conditioning that

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arise in for instance human civilization

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and the development of a collective

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unconscious from there you move on to

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telepathy

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remote viewing remote healing

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telekinesis

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out of body experiences these are all

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aspects we now

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see evidence in the human experience

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also reincarnation comes online at these

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higher levels

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and beyond there comes universal

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knowledge

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and eventually oneness consciousness

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which i've discussed before

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this is the spectrum of quantum hologram

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resonance depicted in this paper by dr

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edgar mitchell

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now previously on this podcast i've

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discussed the obvious

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clear bias and prejudice in mainstream

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science when it comes to these kind of

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topics

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mainstream science does its darndest to

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avoid the ufo phenomenon topic

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both for conscious and unconscious

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reasons

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and dr edgar mitchell addresses this

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bias this prejudice

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in this paper and i want to quote from a

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section here where he discusses dean

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raiden and his experimental results

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quote the lack of an existing

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theoretical structure in classical

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science to support any type of

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perception

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of non-local information much less to

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support

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bias belief or intention as having a

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non-local effect

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is quite sufficient to account for

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anomalous results

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in many scientific experiments the

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prevailing dogma of classical science

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against

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any type of non-local action at the

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level of macro scale reality

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has not prevented experiments from

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successfully being conducted

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it has sometimes caused positive results

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to be dismissed as

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anomalous of faulty design or outright

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fraud

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when in most of these cases the results

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were defensible

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had proper non-local theory being

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available

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unquote and now i'd like to quote from a

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section where he discusses

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raiden's results specifically quote

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raiden 2006

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describes a series of experiments

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conducted in the latter half of the 20th

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century

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on a whole range of psychic phenomena

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that suggests that experimenters are

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obtaining far more correlations

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than can be expected by chance this was

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done by performing

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meta-analyses for random number

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generators

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studies subjected to psychokinesis

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intention

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which resulted with the odds against

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chance of 35 trillion to one

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over the entire database

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and what this section of the paper is

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basically getting at is that

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the experimental results found from

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people like raiden

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clearly violate the notions in

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mainstream science the

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mechanistic materialistic model cannot

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account for these kinds of results

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and so often what happens as was

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discussed earlier

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is the results are just ignored

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dismissed or

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considered to be fraudulent even that's

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how far

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these scientists will go to dismiss this

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data

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because it violates their worldview

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basically

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but a model of reality like is depicted

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with this quantum hologram theory put

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forward by edgar mitchell

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can make sense of this it can describe

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a way that human beings and other

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entities can

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resonate with information at the quantum

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hologram

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and access this kind of information and

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actually

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change reality itself

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and again thinking back to the outset of

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this podcast

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when we talked about the astounding

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technology and

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conscious capabilities of these others

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think about what we're discussing here

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think about what a civilization that can

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resonate at a very high level

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with this quantum hologram imagine what

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they could do

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when this is basically a way to hack

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into reality

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itself that's basically what's being

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postulated by mitchell here

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and really hack is the wrong term there

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that's too crude

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we live in a participatory universe that

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is

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highly conscious throughout that's

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basically what's being described here

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and that beings to different levels

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depending on their level of

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consciousness

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can interact and change reality itself

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this is the way the universe is designed

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again getting back to an earlier part of

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this discussion

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think about angels demons think about

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celestial figures

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think about gods depicted in our

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religious texts

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well again to different degrees

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different species that might have begun

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as physical creatures just like us may

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have very well evolved to the point

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where they resonate at such high levels

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that they appear godlike to creatures

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such as us

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and now moving on from dr edgar mitchell

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i'd like to move on to the work

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of dr rudy shield of course rudy shield

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was a close

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companion of dr edgar mitchell knew him

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for many years

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and was a co-founder along with people

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like ray hernandez of the free

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foundation

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which is now ccri

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and in case you're not familiar ccri

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stands for the consciousness

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and contact research institute and by

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the way they have a new book coming out

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in a couple months called a greater

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reality and this is the follow-up to

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beyond ufos that of course included the

589
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famous

590
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:39,200
experiencer research study that we

591
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,880
discussed in an earlier podcast

592
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:44,720
now i'd like to touch on some very

593
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interesting compelling things that

594
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,919
dr rudy shields said to ray hernandez in

595
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an interview

596
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,960
one of the things he said regarding

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quantum information was that quote

598
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,520
the description of mass is more

599
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important than the mass

600
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,640
itself it is more enduring unquote

601
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,200
he also said quote we've always known

602
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,799
something about our universe that it

603
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:07,760
appears to have

604
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,440
cosmic memory unquote

605
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,280
so again this touches on what we

606
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:14,640
discussed before

607
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:17,919
with edgar mitchell's work the idea that

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quantum information basically is the

609
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reference level

610
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of the physical structure of our

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universe and it's more important that

612
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you have that

613
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because that can always create can

614
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,919
manifest the 3d reality

615
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,000
what you need is the quantum information

616
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this is what's more enduring

617
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,240
and this is actually what is contained

618
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,320
inside black holes

619
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,400
but rudy shield goes further he says

620
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,960
black holes are often misunderstood even

621
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,440
in

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00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,080
astrophysics he likes to use the term

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00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,840
mikos which stands for

624
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,840
magnetically eternally collapsing

625
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,880
objects

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so basically rudy shield believes that

627
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,960
what we consider black holes what we

628
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:00,640
commonly call black holes

629
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,919
are better described as mikos and very

630
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,440
interestingly he says

631
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:08,080
these mikkos these black holes are

632
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,799
basically

633
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,360
portals between our physical universe

634
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:12,880
our physical space

635
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,120
and a pure quantum internal space

636
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,679
that is to say on the exterior of a

637
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,400
black hole

638
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,559
you have the physical universe what we

639
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,840
exist in

640
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,000
and on the interior of the black hole

641
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,760
beyond the event horizon

642
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,640
you have quote quantum internal space

643
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,280
that has no physical structure

644
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:36,000
unquote and he goes on to say quote

645
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,480
there

646
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,039
quantum fields merge around doing very

647
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,600
compressed and complex things

648
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:44,159
unquote and any ads very interestingly

649
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,799
quote

650
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:47,279
and only a cosmic intelligence could

651
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:47,840
affect

652
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,549
so yes indeed dr rudy shield an

653
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,320
astrophysicist at the harvard

654
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:58,960
smithsonian center for astrophysics

655
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:01,840
is postulating that there is a central

656
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:02,640
universal

657
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,919
intelligence a god if you like but avoid

658
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,679
the baggage will you

659
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,520
and that this central intelligence this

660
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,799
cosmic intelligence

661
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,640
interacts with the physical structure

662
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,720
and the beings of each universe

663
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,039
within the multiverse through these

664
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,640
black hole objects

665
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:21,279
by manipulating the quantum level of

666
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,400
information

667
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,279
that manifests in the physical universes

668
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,159
that we experience

669
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:29,840
in a way you can think about this

670
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,240
quantum information that exists in a

671
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:34,400
non-physical state it's just descriptive

672
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:35,360
information

673
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,400
inside the black hole on the interior as

674
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:39,760
the programming level

675
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,760
the code of reality if you will

676
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,000
and again getting back to what we talked

677
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,520
about earlier

678
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:50,320
both we as human beings and alien

679
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,279
species

680
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:52,960
can interact with this quantum

681
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,240
information by resonating with it

682
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,159
but then perhaps you ask how does that

683
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,080
happen exactly what is the medium

684
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,559
for this interaction between us and the

685
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,400
quantum hologram

686
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,480
well here it's postulated that it's the

687
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,880
zero point energy field that was put

688
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,520
forth by

689
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,360
hal put off and for those of you not

690
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,919
familiar the zero point energy field

691
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:18,400
is postulated as existing throughout the

692
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,279
cosmos

693
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,320
that actually contrary to former opinion

694
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,799
space is actually not mostly empty but

695
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,640
is actually filled with a zero point

696
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:27,440
energy

697
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,400
it's pulsating vibrating with power and

698
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,600
actually people like hal

699
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,840
put off have been trying to find ways to

700
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,000
pull that energy as a source

701
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,480
that would be limitless basically and

702
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,840
completely

703
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,440
free and to clarify

704
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,679
because this is the axis of quantum

705
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:46,880
information

706
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,400
the entangled aspects of our cosmos

707
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,960
that's why it is instantaneous and that

708
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,799
actually our consciousness

709
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,520
which is uh passed on through waves

710
00:26:02,549 --> 00:25:59,679
consciousness waves basically

711
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,559
can instantaneously contact its

712
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,159
non-local source

713
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,480
which is within these black hole objects

714
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,520
these mikos

715
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,279
in other words our consciousness does

716
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,520
not reside within our brain

717
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,840
as modern science would have you believe

718
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,000
but it is actually held non-locally

719
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,559
inside these black hole objects and we

720
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:20,799
access this quantum information

721
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,559
that's what makes us us

722
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,320
and again it's not just our

723
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,760
consciousness that's held within these

724
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,159
black hole objects these mikos

725
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,200
but all consciousnesses all memories

726
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:35,279
from every sentient being that has ever

727
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,400
existed

728
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:39,200
throughout time and space so again this

729
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,000
explains

730
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,760
all sorts of phenomena we've been

731
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:43,919
discussing on this podcast

732
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,320
remote viewing telekinesis telepathy

733
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,159
all of this is possible because it's

734
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,080
about resonating with information

735
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:54,159
quantum information within these black

736
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,200
hole objects

737
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,240
and it exists there eternally all of it

738
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,960
that even explains why we can sometimes

739
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,640
understand the thoughts of others

740
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,039
and why these alien species who resonate

741
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,799
at much higher levels than us

742
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:09,039
can apparently access all information

743
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:09,840
about us

744
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,840
about our history even about our future

745
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,000
and in terms of the teleportation of

746
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,919
these apparently huge space

747
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,240
craft that we discussed in the outset of

748
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,600
this episode

749
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,600
well clearly we understand how that

750
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,080
could work with this quantum resonance

751
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:28,640
that basically you are manipulating the

752
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,440
descriptive

753
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,640
quantum level of the spacecraft and at

754
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,559
that quantum level of course it has no

755
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,799
mass it's basically the code behind

756
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,760
reality

757
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:40,080
referencing that spacecraft and when it

758
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,960
manifests

759
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,200
suddenly in front of your home then it

760
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:44,640
takes on physical structure

761
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,840
it transforms from a quantum possibility

762
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,080
to a physical structure in our universe

763
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,840
and to us that appears almost

764
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,640
instantaneous

765
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,120
so what do you think about these ideas i

766
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,200
personally think they are fascinating

767
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,120
and so much more compelling than the

768
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:03,360
reality described by

769
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,950
and most importantly i think these ideas

770
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,679
get as much

771
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,159
closer to what is really real much

772
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:16,159
closer to the base reality

773
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,960
of an interconnected conscious universe

774
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,520
and on that note we've come to the close

775
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,279
of another edition of the point of

776
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,200
convergence podcast

777
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,840
let's keep this conversation going and

778
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,720
growing

779
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:32,080
if you know others who would be

780
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,919
interested in these topics please let

781
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,640
them know

782
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:36,559
so they can tune in next week as we

783
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,919
continue this fascinating conversation

784
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,159
but until then from deep within the blue